I understand the feeling, starfish - I have a sister in there too. But she won't leave until and unless she sees herself as powerful enough to create her own direction, and if I disrespect her decision-making ability, I suspect I'd be tearing her down more than I would be building her up.
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Anti-Witnessing -does it work?
by Phantom Stranger ini keep reading posts from people who "need" to get their family members out of the wts.
look, a few background points: .
1) i'm out and have been for 17 years.
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what do you do when JWs call at your door now?
by franklin J ini have been away from jws for 20 years, after having grown up as one, a pioneer and ministerial servant.
i have rebuilt my life, am very happy and have a wife and three kids who never were part of jw.
i have moved back into the town i grew up in.
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Basically do the same thing, except that I politely ask them to put a red dot on my address on the territory card. Lasts about two years.
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My new wesbite!
by blaid in.
thanks to sens for the hosting!!!.
its still in development though =d
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Phantom Stranger
francis, you might want to correct the spelling on website while you can still edit the topic post... nice design, btw. where's skool?
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Wives Should Provide Sex On Demand - Dr. Laura
by Mindchild ini couldn't believe that i was reading this in the news....http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7446555%255e13762,00.html ok, dear it might fix my headache.
by george gordon.
october 3, 2003. .
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Phantom Stranger
On another note, from what I hear about most husbands, wives don't want those guys responsible for their orgasms anyway.
This whole conversation about sex on demand for wives reminds me of a line from a Spider Robinson book. The character Mary is looking to marry an alien robot (no , seriously). Someone says "But you don't even know if you're sexually compatible!" Mary replies, "I can see fingers and a tongue from here - anything else is gravy."
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Wives Should Provide Sex On Demand - Dr. Laura
by Mindchild ini couldn't believe that i was reading this in the news....http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7446555%255e13762,00.html ok, dear it might fix my headache.
by george gordon.
october 3, 2003. .
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Well, tal, here's my POV, worth exactly what you're paying ;) Please take it in in the same spirit that you wished for.
Many of us have terrible things happen to us as children. (As did ny mom.)
Some people seem to never recover from these things. Others, while still bearing scars, seem to reach places of happiness, success, love, and trust.
To talk about "soul murder" is to say that some people are incapable of recovery (since their souls are dead), and labels those people as somehow less than, as damaged goods... and who are we to say that one person is more capable than another? (Of course, some people are more capable than others, but who are we to judge?)
As children, we associate meanings with events. We do it to survive, physically and emotionally - we need to make the world make sense. But when we become adults, that is, when we become responsible for our actions, we get to re-evaluate those decisions we made as children (which often don't make sense to us now), and work with what we want the events to mean now.
As an example, it is not uncommon for a sexually abused child to develop borderline personality disorder, due to the significant invalidiation that sexual abuse represents. However, the entire treatment regimen for BPD involves the presumption that people are capable of learning new reactions and cognitively changing their situation. To tell that person that their soul has been murdered is to play at being God - we don't get to make that determination!
Experience is not what happens to us - it's what we do with what happens to us. Aldous Huxley.
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Anybody remember Shelby Reed in Corvallis OR?
by Phantom Stranger inshe and her family moved to oregon from san diego area in the late 80's.
her dad was an elder moving to where the need was greater (pthuey).
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She and her family moved to Oregon from San Diego area in the late 80's. Her dad was an elder moving to where the need was greater (pthuey). She would be in her mid-30's now...anybody?
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New World Translation
by drawcad_1 ini saw a post some time ago on this board that had to do with jehovah's name being inserted in the wrong place in the new testament.
it dealt with a prophesy from the old testament concerning 'john the baptist' preparing the way for jesus.
could someone help me to find the ot and nt references.. thanks.
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try this long thread:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/53827/1.ashx
In this thread, onacruse recommends this URL: http://home.europa.com/~lynnlund/itmidx2.htm as a list of places the name is replaced.
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Anti-Witnessing -does it work?
by Phantom Stranger ini keep reading posts from people who "need" to get their family members out of the wts.
look, a few background points: .
1) i'm out and have been for 17 years.
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I keep reading posts from people who "need" to get their family members out of the WTS.
Look, a few background points:
1) I'm out and have been for 17 years.
2) I'm happy, and would never go back, and would never recommend it to anyone.
With all that said, why do you have to "get them out"? They're adults... probably unhappy adults, with low self-esteem, or they wouldn't stay in it... but this whole idea of "rescuing them" is a bit dramatic, and a bit unrealistic. I had family members trying to talk my mom out of it all the time! It's like fighting the Viet Cong in the jungle - even if you don't lose, you can't win.
How many people here have succeeded in arguing a JW out? And in your opinions (those who have been successful at it, especially) when are people ready to leave? Can you make them be ready?
Many of us were in it a long time and I suspect resisted leaving more than once before we were ready...just wondering.
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Sister needs help getting her brother out of the borg. HELP!
by NaruNaruChan ini have a friend whose brother is still in the organization.
she wants nothing more than for him to leave.. but he's stuck on his girlfriend who is a dub.
can you guys give me some tips on how to get him out, such as subtle hints, or scriptures she can look up?
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I hate to admit it, but the "work-around" described here is a heck of a lot better approach than a Biblical argument. That's like fighting the Viet Cong in the jungle...you may not lose but you ain't gonna win. Stay away from the doctrinal arguments.
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The Case For God
by Farkel ina caterpillar.
although there are many more examples in nature for wonderment, the caterpillar is spectacularly unique.
imagine one animal changing into an entirely different species in just a few months;from a multi-legged ugly grub into a stunningly beautiful winged insect.
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This is a (whoops - this thing just posted itself!)
This is a great topic.
I used to be a hardcore atheist.
Then I saw some things that I could not explain using what Ken Wilbur calls "flatland" logic.
Now I find myself forced to beleive in forces, connections, and the like, bigger than I am. I still don't beleive in a sole personality (or a triune one either) who fitfully screws with some of us and blesses others. And, I do beleive in a force that I am somehow connected to, that brings order out of chaos and growth in the midst of death, that I can not hope to capture with my intellect but which I occassionally touch with my heart. I beleive that each of us is part of that, and so each of us has the same claim of, access to, and opportunity for a spark of divinity inside.
There - now back to my typical curmudgeonly self.